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9 responses to “Anti I-502 blogger selectively quotes DUID statistics to frighten medical marijuana patients”

  1. Anonymous


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  3. xcannabis.com

    Debate on I-502 @ Seattle City Hall on 4/20/2012


  4. xcannabis.com

    So, your opposition is based on the premise that that “DUID arrests do go up when new restrictive DUID laws are enacted.”

    This is a more complete version of my opposition to the initiative. Its lengthly, so I understand if you don’t have time for it. But I reject your suggestion of what my opposition is, so if you really want to know why I reject it, see the link below.

  5. xcannabis.com

    So, your opposition is based on the premise that that “DUID arrests do go up when new restrictive DUID laws are enacted.”

    Not entirely. I’ve elaborated quite a bit more than that. I have compared decrim states that already do have it better than what I-502 proposes. I think my biggest opposition is the whole trading liberty for security issue.

    I made it more clear in this video:


    But still, 10,000 Washingtonians are prosecuted annually for possession <1oz.

    I didn’t read that 10,000 Washingtonians are prosecuted for less than one ounce. That does seem like a lot. But if we look at Nevada’s increase in DUID arrests, the amount that their DUID arrests increased after they enacted their per se law, it would seem that they had an equal or greater amount in arrests, and quite honestly DUID arrests would be worse than simple possession. I’ve saw the penalties for both.

    So why is it not one of the Patients Against Pragmatism can find me the victim who’d be impacted by I-502?

    Is it that no one has found you this, or is it that you don’t accept what they say? And not all who are opposed are patients. As I understand it (I suppose I could be wrong), Vivian Mcpeak is not a patient, and I know many others who have been in this fight for a long time who are not patients who oppose I-502. I think you are unfairly grouping people together. But that doesn’t really bother me as much as the misrepresentation of how you often label patients as being greedy who oppose this. As if they would ACTUALLY have some kind of competition in the market from I-502. If anyone is savvy to SB 5073, its obvious there will be no state regulated market at all. It will still all be underground after I-502. Did anyone pay attention to what happened in Washington last April to “the best thing to happen to medical marijuana patients in Washington”. SB 5073 was the same thing. Lots of positive promotion, but in the end SB 5073 took a lot of rights away, and gave nothing new that is positive in return. Patients still only have an affirmative defense, no rights, there was no dispensaries, the exclusive exemption that doctors once had is gone, and the “serve one patient at any given time” wording is gone from Washington code because of SB 5073.
    The propaganda we all heard about SB 5073 last year was “Washington is going to get legal dispensaries”. Didn’t happen last year, and it won’t happen this year either.

    5) Undergo a field sobriety test for the officer, which you would perform with flying colors, because you’re not impaired at 5ng/mL, right?

    Except there is nothing in I-502 that requires an officer to do a field sobriety test in order to get blood. Probable cause is enough, and there is plenty of ways to get that.

    In other words, Steps #1-#8 are exactly the same now as they will be under I-502.

    Right now in Washington impairment has to be proven, and a victim of the arrest can successfully argue a case in court and win, even if their blood content is over 5ng. After I-502, a 5ng or greater blood content means guilty, and thats final.

    Again I see very little benefit to I-502, and I think it is setting an awful precedence. I won’t support the initiative, because I don’t want to be a “activist in favor of new penalties”. I think that sends the wrong message. And there just isn’t enough benefit in this bill to really call this a step forward IMHO.

  6. xcannabis.com

    I don’t always agree with Steve Elliot’s work, I think he is more of a plagiarist than original in a lot of his work. However lets look at the facts.

    Regardless if Nevada has stricter laws under their new DUID laws or not, it is obvious that even if their DUID laws mimicked I-502′s proposal, that arrests would go up. Would they go up 76%? Probably not. But who knows, maybe? What we do know from the report, is that DUID arrests do go up when new restrictive DUID laws are enacted.

    I think that people are willing to take a huge gamble on an ounce of weed, that really is much of a problem for most anyway. Obtaining cannabis is easy in this day and age, and in Washington there are a lot less possession arrests than in most states already. Why trade liberty for security when the benefit really doesn’t out weight the loss? Seriously an ounce?

    Anyone who is savvy to SB 5073 knows there will be no legal grows or dispensaries (stores). When the state is required to collect funds on a federally illegal substance, its a no-go.
    There is also no provisions in I-502 for sharing/gifting/passing a joint. So sharing a joint will still be illegal.

    I keep seeing NORML trying to justify this as “the first chance for legalization”.

    Heck California decriminalized an ounce last year, and they didn’t add new DUID restrictions and penalties at all. I’d rather pay a $100 fine (not likely) than have a criminal DUID charge, ANY DAY!

  7. moldy

    Hmmm, I live in NV and since I’ve had my card (7 YEARS) I’ve been picked up 3 times. Of course I wasn’t smoking weed in my car so there was no reason to test me even though I was probably over 2 ng (limit in NV). I once ran a highway patolman out of his lane..ha-ha, he just yelled at me. Yeah, sure, I look like a cop and I’m bald, old, and white so that goes a long way to get me let go but just saying…


  8. h8red42

    8-) I love getting both sides of the debate,Too bad i have to go looking for it,the “Other side”is all over Face Book,this on …well it’s there now :-D
    be well
    Yes on I-502

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