Comments on: Border Patrol tasers Baptist preacher repeatedly and shoves face into broken glass http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass The Growing Truth About Cannabis Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:08:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: johnathan fernandez http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-72300 johnathan fernandez Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:09:19 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-72300 the only person doing anything illegal there was the alleged preacher a k9 hitting by all local, state and federal law is enough probable cause to search. california might legalize marijuana but it's still a federal violation, and trafficking marijuana is even worse. so yea i respect the bp and what they do legal marijuana is one thing once taxed and governed, but the illegal trafficking transporting distribution and usage of marijuana is not acceptable so to you pos pot smokers get a life! the only person doing anything illegal there was the alleged preacher a k9 hitting by all local, state and federal law is enough probable cause to search. california might legalize marijuana but it’s still a federal violation, and trafficking marijuana is even worse. so yea i respect the bp and what they do legal marijuana is one thing once taxed and governed, but the illegal trafficking transporting distribution and usage of marijuana is not acceptable so to you pos pot smokers get a life!

]]> By: Mavis Rooster http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-62079 Mavis Rooster Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:33:37 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-62079 RealDeal - Nothing you wrote even comes close to resembling a coherent thought. We are all dumber for having read your post. You write like a cop or some other kind of crazed looney. This man was detained and abused for not submitting like a punk to the bozos who abused him. Are you really going to sit there and swear that you are even more of a bozo yourself? Would you suggest that Patrick Henry was an ass when he said, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Why don't you leave this country that you aren't worthy to live in? Only someone who hates what America is becoming is worthy of living here. Mavis RealDeal – Nothing you wrote even comes close to resembling a coherent thought. We are all dumber for having read your post. You write like a cop or some other kind of crazed looney.

This man was detained and abused for not submitting like a punk to the bozos who abused him. Are you really going to sit there and swear that you are even more of a bozo yourself? Would you suggest that Patrick Henry was an ass when he said, “Give me liberty or give me death?”

Why don’t you leave this country that you aren’t worthy to live in? Only someone who hates what America is becoming is worthy of living here.

Mavis

]]> By: Real Deal http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-57928 Real Deal Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:01:11 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-57928 Ok how can I put this nicely...you're a dumb ass! If you're going to preach about human rights and probable cause, 4th ammendment and all that perhaps you should do some research first and understand the authorities and laws that actually pertain to those topics. Its clear to me that you have no idea what went on there. Firstly k-9's are trained that when a "sniff" is conducted and if they hit on something (aka drugs or human contraband), they sit calmly in front of the area where they hit. Thats how the handler knows if they hit. Thats also why this paster would have seen no reaction from the k-9. Two INA 287 and Martinez-Fuente vs. the United States (supreme court ruling) are the two statutes by which border patrol derive there authority to establish checkpoints and conduct stops at those checkpoints. There is no 4th ammendment violation because they are not being seized. They are being legally detained. A K-9 alert automatically gives the agent or officer probable cause which is how they are then legally able to search the vehicle under the readily mobile conveyance warrant exception(corroll doctrine). This pastors non compliant and resistant behavior made him a safety issue to everyone around him. The State Troopers who responded at the checkpoint were called because this pastor was also impeding the normal flow of traffic (also a safety issue). The Pastor refused to comply with the Troopers orders which put him in violation of state law. His continuing resistance again was an officer safety issue. By refusing to comply the Troopers had legal authority to remove him from the vehicle. He was tased because of his resistance and because if they attempted to remove him without incompacitating him he might have caused harm to one of the agents or troopers. As a side not it was a trooper who tased him, not a BP agent. Also if you listen closely in the video, they did warn him to cover his face when they broke the glass to the car. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT DUMB ASS! Ok how can I put this nicely…you’re a dumb ass! If you’re going to preach about human rights and probable cause, 4th ammendment and all that perhaps you should do some research first and understand the authorities and laws that actually pertain to those topics. Its clear to me that you have no idea what went on there. Firstly k-9′s are trained that when a “sniff” is conducted and if they hit on something (aka drugs or human contraband), they sit calmly in front of the area where they hit. Thats how the handler knows if they hit. Thats also why this paster would have seen no reaction from the k-9. Two INA 287 and Martinez-Fuente vs. the United States (supreme court ruling) are the two statutes by which border patrol derive there authority to establish checkpoints and conduct stops at those checkpoints. There is no 4th ammendment violation because they are not being seized. They are being legally detained. A K-9 alert automatically gives the agent or officer probable cause which is how they are then legally able to search the vehicle under the readily mobile conveyance warrant exception(corroll doctrine). This pastors non compliant and resistant behavior made him a safety issue to everyone around him. The State Troopers who responded at the checkpoint were called because this pastor was also impeding the normal flow of traffic (also a safety issue). The Pastor refused to comply with the Troopers orders which put him in violation of state law. His continuing resistance again was an officer safety issue. By refusing to comply the Troopers had legal authority to remove him from the vehicle. He was tased because of his resistance and because if they attempted to remove him without incompacitating him he might have caused harm to one of the agents or troopers. As a side not it was a trooper who tased him, not a BP agent. Also if you listen closely in the video, they did warn him to cover his face when they broke the glass to the car. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT DUMB ASS!

]]> By: J.W. http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-52943 J.W. Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:36 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-52943 I very much appreciate that he takes a stand for constitutionally guaranteed and allegedly protected rights, But if you look at him closely enough you will notice that he is the only member of the cult of himself. One of the truly insane, hate filled demagogues that are becoming a hallmark of our culture.Yuo know, like Pat Robertson. I very much appreciate that he takes a stand for constitutionally guaranteed and allegedly protected rights, But if you look at him closely enough you will notice that he is the only member of the cult of himself. One of the truly insane, hate filled demagogues that are becoming a hallmark of our culture.Yuo know, like Pat Robertson.

]]> By: kevin http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-52868 kevin Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:41:54 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-52868 Then MOVE OUT OF IT! Then MOVE OUT OF IT!

]]> By: xcannabis http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-16678 xcannabis Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:26:24 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-16678 Best sermon I've ever heard possibly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwgmmN0_U1A This guy is straight cool! Best sermon I’ve ever heard possibly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwgmmN0_U1A

This guy is straight cool!

]]> By: MLocke http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-16628 MLocke Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:18:13 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-16628 Have to chime in here, after doing some more research on this Baptist teacher. There are several videos of him on YouTube being very, very confrontational in multiple situations like this. At another border patrol, he stopped, but refused to roll down his window to talk to the agent at the stop. He just kept yelling to tell him when he was free to go. I don't necessarily support the border patrol stops, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that this Pastor Anderson is a highly confrontational individual, who put himself into situations where agents, who are just doing their jobs, have to respond. If you act suspicious, you will be treated as a person of suspicion. Have to chime in here, after doing some more research on this Baptist teacher.

There are several videos of him on YouTube being very, very confrontational in multiple situations like this. At another border patrol, he stopped, but refused to roll down his window to talk to the agent at the stop. He just kept yelling to tell him when he was free to go.

I don’t necessarily support the border patrol stops, but that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is that this Pastor Anderson is a highly confrontational individual, who put himself into situations where agents, who are just doing their jobs, have to respond. If you act suspicious, you will be treated as a person of suspicion.

]]> By: chai wallah Nicol http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-16568 chai wallah Nicol Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:10:41 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-16568 This is so messed up. That Baptist minister is a true American who is standing up as a human to the inhuman Border Patrol Fascists. I hope more of the straight community begins to wake up and realize its not just us "potheads" who are going to have their heads shoved into glass, they are next. It's overdue time for all of us cannabis users and friends to get together and fight these fascist scum laws. Remember Stonewall! I wear my MPP "I am not a criminal! End Marijuana Prohibition!" proudly every chance I get. They can shut me down, but they can't shut down an idea whose time has come. Come out of the hemp closet all stoners and our :evil: allies!!! This is so messed up. That Baptist minister is a true American who is standing up as a human to the inhuman Border Patrol Fascists. I hope more of the straight community begins to wake up and realize its not just us “potheads” who are going to have their heads shoved into glass, they are next. It’s overdue time for all of us cannabis users and friends to get together and fight these fascist scum laws. Remember Stonewall! I wear my MPP “I am not a criminal! End Marijuana Prohibition!” proudly every chance I get. They can shut me down, but they can’t shut down an idea whose time has come. Come out of the hemp closet all stoners and our :evil: allies!!!

]]> By: itistime http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-16479 itistime Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:13:07 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-16479 oh believe me, I understand that and fully agree oh believe me, I understand that and fully agree

]]> By: itistime http://stash.norml.org/border-patrol-tasers-baptist-preacher-repeatedly-and-shoves-face-into-broken-glass/comment-page-1#comment-16478 itistime Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:11:52 +0000 http://stash.norml.org/?p=6612#comment-16478 Right, but sometimes you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. You gotta give it to this dude, he never cracked, I know I would have, especially if I didn't have anything, but like I said, I am a little jaded after a couple of these same experiences. Ironically when I have been busted with stuff, I was either let go, or cut a ticket. The times I got beat up, I really had nothing and had done nothing. Oh wait there is one thing I did, I was drunk both times (but not driving). Another reason to smoke instead of drink. Right, but sometimes you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t. You gotta give it to this dude, he never cracked, I know I would have, especially if I didn’t have anything, but like I said, I am a little jaded after a couple of these same experiences.

Ironically when I have been busted with stuff, I was either let go, or cut a ticket. The times I got beat up, I really had nothing and had done nothing. Oh wait there is one thing I did, I was drunk both times (but not driving). Another reason to smoke instead of drink.

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