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Dominic Holden debunks the “no patients can drive” I-502 scaremongering | The NORML Stash Blog

I am the producer of The NORML Network, the host of the NORML SHOW LIVE and The NORML Stash Blog, and NORML's Outreach Coordinator. I'm married, live in Portland, Oregon, and I am a registered medical marijuana caregiver in this state. I've worked days as an IT geek and nights as a professional musician. Previously, I have been the host of my own political talk radio show on satellite radio. I've been the High Times "Freedom Fighter of the Month" and I travel across the country to educate people on marijuana reform. I've dedicated my life to bringing an end to adult marijuana prohibition and re-legalizing cannabis hemp, and I'm honored to be chosen by NORML to give voice to the Marijuana Nation and to speak for those who can't speak up.

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16 responses to “Dominic Holden debunks the “no patients can drive” I-502 scaremongering”

  1. Deconstructing I-502, Part 4: Stop, Smell, and Convict

    [...] life of a medical cannabis patient in Washington State is to live in fear every day. If I-502 passes, non-patients will also get to know about life in the crosshairs: risking not just [...]

  2. Mimi

    Fortunately for us, public sentiment is with the patients, not the government. We will fight this and it will not make the ballot. We aren’t asking for perfect, just that no more innocent persons get persecuted in the making of new laws. Not much to ask, I’d think, in this day and age.

    It’s too bad, really. If the people at New Approach Washington would have listened to patients in the first place, none of this would be happening. The entire community would be in support and this would pass with flying colors. Alison Holcomb and her minions were informed we would not stand for this before the petitions were ever printed. She chose to go ahead and make a decision that divided the cannabis community in this state.

    It appears that division was quite intentional. It was also a big mistake.

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    [...] been troubling to me is how much of the debate over the DUI provision seems to have very little scientific backing and how much of the “science” surrounding this topic appears to be [...]

  4. Mimi

    We’ll see come November, but most people realize that cannabis patients, while there are some who abuse it just like anything else, also benefit greatly from the drug. The big problem you are facing now is getting anyone to take YOU seriously.

    You sit there and call us stoners and long-hair hippies, but we just want to be able to live without wrongful persecution and stay alive. It’s the NORML crowd, it turns out, who are the “the long-haired medical marijuana lawyers and the pierced dreadlocked stoners”. It’s the NORML crowd who seems to be in it for the money. Yeah, legalization would be a big moneymaker for a bunch of you, wouldn’t it? It’s interesting.

    First we got asked to step aside, then we got called names and now NORML folks are personally and individually threatening cannabis patients who oppose I-502. Calling US the stoners was funny as hell, but now you stoop to the level of threats of violence and harm to us? Yeah, you’ve made your point, and you’ve drawn the lines.

    We get it. You’ve gone to war against patients and you’ll gladly toss us under the first bus that comes along so you can legally get high. Just sayin’, we are not gonna just lay there and take this. We are going to fight, and I think the voters in this state have a LOT more compassion than you people, and I think they are a lot more open to medical cannabis than full legalization.

    I think you have a BIG problem. You shouldn’t have dissed the patients like that.

  5. ray christl cambodia medical kanja

    It’s Thursday evening in Asia ,and I haven’t seen a NORML Live Show archive all week ??? Something is wrong.

  6. John Toker

    I would drop this one, Russ. Dom’s been straying from reality more than I think you’d be comfortable with. (I know you to be above smear tactics.) I’m going to post the comment Martinelli posted to Dom’s original post about the “anti-pot (sic) campaign”. Notice how Martinelli’s not citing it to demonstrate lack of impairment. He’s referring to the zero tolerance for the under-21 set.

    “I responded to Dominic a couple hours after his e-mail inquiry regarding the study I mentioned where individuals can fail the 0 ng/ml test for patients under 21 even 6 days after smoking, but it must not have been quick enough:

    ‘Hey Dominic, please checkout http://www.patientsagainsti502.org/resou….

    Please also checkout http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19804…, which is a study showing that 6 days after consuming cannabis, 24% had detecable active THC in their system, meaning they would fail a 0 ng test which is imposed upon those under 21, despite voters in our state declaring the access to medicinal cannabis for those under this age. These tests also are not based on medical patients, which are likely to consume cannabis at much higher rates than those tested in this study. Other studies on this website also make it very clear that the limit, whether 0 ng for those under 21, or the 5 ng limit for adults, is absolutely not based on science, which makes taking away our defense in court (not even including rebuttable presumption) all the more unacceptable.’”

    Thanks very much for helping debunk this second-hand smoke nonsense. However, you do yourself no favors citing Holden without closer inspection. It’s a very Bush-like tactic: misrepresent the argument so you can prove the false argument wrong.

    I’m sure Martinelli would appreciate a retraction, but I’ll also understand if you decide to let this one quietly slide through. (Dare I hope for a personalized rebuttal?)


  7. John Thomas

    Okay. Thanks, Russ. – Does that mean they are not archived for on-demand viewing anymore?

  8. John Thomas

    Excuse me. Is there a NORML Show Live this evening? I thought I saw a reference to it, but it does not appear (nor does any show) in the scrolling area above where I usually find it. – Thanks.

  9. Matterofliberty

    I wonder if their actually hurting their own cause more… because to some non-tokers, I-502 might finally be adding the level of “protection on the roads” that the current WA MMJ program does not give… All their really doing is highlighting that under I-502, you cant drive “high”, that seems like a strategy to gain yes votes imo.

  10. ray christl cambodia medical kanja

    Dominic Holden is an excellent writer & Alison is a wonderful spokesperson,but were are the average hempsters supporting I-502 ??? The elitist mindset of I-502 has created a load of ‘sour grapes’ emotion that won’t easily be overcome.

    Ryan Xcannabis was on your show second hour and played me a reply of the discussion. Karri had some very insightful comments. Ryan is ridiculous (i call him FLAKY) like the SenWah nonsense that has infected Vivian McPeak–he’s the one I’m worried about & he’s under tremendous pressure from our illogical ‘I got mine’ subset.

    Russ,if RPaul is a failure in 30 years of promoting liberty & access to hemp/MMJ,and NORML has a 40 year record of similar promotion without meaningful results…RPaul & NORML should manufacture bastard children for Alex Jones College ,and we don’t need NO Aristotle. Alex Jones College is dedicated & forever indebted to his father ,Bill Hicks .

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