(LA Times) More than 100 people lined up outside a marijuana dispensary in the San Fernando Valley this morning, lured by the offer of free cannabis for the first 100 patients.
The nonprofit dispensary in Canoga Park, Roscoe’s Compassionate Collective, advertised the offer last week in Kush L.A., a monthly cannabis magazine, with a pull-out coupon for patients with marijuana medical cards and updated prescriptions. Since then, the collective has fielded hundreds of calls from people essentially asking the same question: Is this for real?
JT Wiegman, 37, the owner’s son, said it is indeed for real and as of 11 a.m., they began giving 3.5 grams of marijuana, worth $55, to each recipient. The shop has been open only three months, and though Wiegman admitted the giveaway was in part a promotion, he said that wasn’t the main point.
Through the pot promotion, the dispensary hopes to draw attention to collectives that overcharge and lack compassion, Wiegman said. He said there are too many people in the industry looking to make a fast buck. “I’m showing what true compassion is for this industry, for all the patients that really need the medicine,” he said. “I think collectives in general have not done a good job of taking this professional, we are a pharmacy and we have medicines that are legal.”
While I admire this dispensary owner, it seems to me the giveaway isn’t so much about showing “true compassion” as it is trying to open a new dispensary in a market that is already flooded with dispensaries. An eighth of marijuana is worth $55? Is that what he’s going to sell it for once the first 100 free samples have gone out? Can you find for me any other agricultural product that retails for $15.71 per gram? Even saffron only trades at $4.25 per gram!
Of course the eighth costs $55 in the dispensary because it costs $55 on the street. There is a legal, or “white” market, if you will, in dispensary cannabis for the 5% of tokers who are medical, and a parallel black market in street cannabis for the 95% of tokers deemed too healthy not to arrest for toking. A white market cannot run alongside a black market without both becoming a bit grayer. Until cannabis is legal for all who want it, patients will be charged these ridiculous prices for plant matter, because it can’t be grown in huge open fields, sown and harvested with modern agribusiness techniques, and sold in bulk at vastly reduced prices thanks to prohibition. That prohibition is the engine that wrecks 872,721 lives per year as well as powering the dispensary’s combination of drug-dealer profits with a farmer’s market lifestyle
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad dispensaries exist and that desperate patients can get legal medicine regardless of cost. If I’m a cancer patient, I don’t care if the dispensary eighth costs what Vinnie the Weed Dealer in the park charges; I just want to stop vomiting from chemo. However, I’ve got to wonder how many of these dispensary owners would still be in the business of “compassion” if marijuana were completely legal and the profit margins dropped from drug-dealer levels to farmer’s market levels.
By the way, I’d also like to note that Oregon NORML gives away free medicine to twice as many patients twice a month for the past four years.
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McD, you experienced no withdrawals so, choose the option:
1-you never tried to stop for 3 months
2-your pot is weak
3-you don´t smoke everyday/you´re not a pot head
4-you are lying for everybody and for yourself
5-you used another addiction to take the place of cannabis
You have 45, but you act like a teen.
Well, there you go, then, you fool: that’s the place for you – a site full of wingeing and whining losers. What the hell are you doing here? Hoping you might somehow be able to make yourself (feel) better? Well, OK, you can have some credit for good intentions, then, but don’t forget how the road to hell was paved.
http://www.wellsphere.com/drug-addiction-article/marijuana-withdrawal-a-survey-of-symptoms-part-2/900771
Real experiences.
Should I really be wasting my time defending myself against this clown? Ho-hum and yawn; it’s an overcast and chilly Saturday, so I’ll give it a couple of minutes:
1) 2010-1977=33, not 40. This might seem somewhat pedantic, but I think this oversight is representative of your approach in general. I’ve seen a plethora of such oversights from you which you’ve obviously grown accustomed to letting people forgive you for. You may have now grown into a habit of assuming people are going to gloss over your inaccuracies in search of some more important fact. I believe this is when the Americans say, ‘If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.’
2) I’ve never experienced any withdrawal symptoms from cannabis.
3) I’m forty-five, so it’s been a quarter of a century since I was a teenager.
4) Lazy…? Well, I’m not going to defend my life to you or anyone else, but I will say I’ve got four kids and I’m damn glad I’ve got them, although they certainly don’t allow me the luxury of being lazy.
5) No, I don’t smoke tobacco anymore.
6) You seem to have difficulty comprehending this simple statement: I have not and do not experience cravings for cannabis (or ‘pot’ if you prefer). I seem to remember you making some moot point about Mikey not taking on board what he didn’t want to. That’s what I’d call the pot calling the kettle black, or ‘It takes one to know one.’ (‘Projection’ I believe is the Freudian term.) In this case, however, you are mistaken, because I am not one. Your unfortunate experience with cannabis does not apply to me. Nor does it apply to anyone else I know.
Why is it a few problem people, like you, manage to make themselves so clearly heard about cannabis when you are in such a small minority? Yes, I really should have ignored you here. There are plenty of other platforms for people like you. Sorry Russ and NORML and everyone else. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
Actually, I think the problem here is that you simply don’t understand what you’re reading, which is what makes you a clown, rather than a troll. But, then again, clowns know what they’re doing, so perhaps you’re simply a fool. Don’t feel too bad about it. There are lots and lots of them, so you’ve got plenty of company.
Adolescent behaviour? Well, yes, it was silly of me to answer you, but if you really want a prime example of adolescent (or pubescent) behaviour, try and take a good, objective look at the last paragraph you wrote above.
McD, I thought i should not lose time with someone stupid like you, but i can´t resist. Since 1977 Mcd?
You are using a drug for more than 40 years and didn´t notice it´s a drug like the others that bring withdrawal symptoms. Man, sorry but you are lazy, you look like a teenager. I think that you are a lost case in this life. Oh you smoke tabacco, oh, you know what is addiction?? Of course tabacco is addictive. When did you realized that? Yesterday? So, today you are realizing that pot is addictive and the cravings for pot make tabacco cosumption increase.
You like to say that i´m a clown, a troll whatever you want but it doesn´t matter, you act like an adolescent like i said. What matters is knowledge, and you don´t have this. You think that what i know is bullshit because you know nothing, so everything is new for you.
You know, I’m beginning to get the feeling this clown (‘Fred’) isn’t actually a troll. I suspect, in fact, he actually believes he knows what he’s talking about! Coo-coo, coo-coo. How is it down there in cloud coo-coo land, ‘Fred’?
Mikey, i didn´t say i agree with your statements about how antidepressants are sometimes needed in the course of medicine. You always distort what i say. I think you like to do that. I said that you have a real point of view, a real opinion based in real facts that can be right or not. Some doctors thing that´s right, others don´t. That´s the first thing you said that have basis in reality but I DON`T AGREE WITH THAT. Do i need to repeat for you understand? What you say about cannabis don´t have basis in reality, only in your reality. One research say one thing. All the others are telling us others thing and you prefer to believe in the only one just because this one is defending your drug. And smoking the quantity you smoke, you wouldn´t be having strong withdrawals even if you were taking heroin. If you use considerable quantities of heroin everyday, you will have withdrawal when you stop. If you use sometimes, not everyday you will have any withdrawal or just a little when you stop. The same happens with thc. More you used, more stronger will be the withdrawal symptoms. So, someone who smokes a lot of skunk everyday will have a stronger withdrawal that a heroin user who use it sometimes and vice versa. People love to say that heroin is a hard drug and thc is soft. This is bullshit. Street heroin mixed with shit is a hard drug, or nasty heroin like back tar is a hard drug. Pure Diacetilmorphine is just a drug like the others. Have positive and negatives effects and should never be used to have fun. The same for all the other psychoactive drugs, including thc.
Russ ….72 hs?? Man, try 3 months….or just 2 months and see what happens. THC is not like other drugs soluble in water. Thc withdrawal doen´t come in only one rush that is worse in the first days. THC withdrawal comes in rushes that come, and go, than go back stronger, than go away. This continues for many weeks. I´m not lying to you. I passed through thc withdrawal many times and i know a lot of people that felt the same way. The first week is the easiest. The second is harder and the third week you go crazy. Try to see what happens, just try. Is very similar to opiates withdrawal, but more emotional symptoms (caused by the chemistry, is not only in your head). I know many people here in my country that say have no problem with weed like you say, but they smoke crap weed, they smoke mine and they feel crazy with just 2 tokes. People i know who smoke good stuff everyday feel sick when stop.
If THC was sold like other drugs (cocaine, heroin, lsd, ecstasy, etc) in it´s pure crystal form, everybody would already be sure that THC is dangerous. The same happens with alcohol. You don´t use pure alcohol like other drugs. Is like cannabis, you drink something that contains a porcentage of the drug, the active ingredient. If people begin to drink pure alcohol or IV, would die more people everyday from overdose of alcohol than with any other drug. And in the case of cannabis, things are more complicated because like i said we smoke something that contains the active ingredient. But there are more ingredients in cannabis that are active too ( cbn, cbd, thcv… etc) just to name a few.
People say that cannabis doen´t cause fatal overdose. But instead of it, THC change you mind, change your thoughts, makes you lose your sanity without you noticing it.
Yeah man you’re out in left field somewhere. You say you don’t agree with the use of anti-depressants, then you say you agree with my statements about how they are sometimes needed in the course of medicine. You make statements that are flat out not true, swearing you have some kind of unknown “in” on the “real” facts about cannabis; then when these things are rebutted you just completely change direction and make some other off-the-wall claim. I can just see you on the other side of the computer screen
when someone else responds Do you work for the DFAF??
You are making the assumption that I’m a daily cannabis user. You know nothing about my habits. My use has been steadily decreasing over the past couple years. I do still use cannabis on average 4 or 5 nights a week. But I frequently go days, even weeks without it. On average when I use cannabis it’s 2 or 3 puffs from the vape about an hour before bed. My “cravings” for cannabis are much like my cravings for pickles or sunflower seeds. “Man! I could really go for a pickle right about now.” If I have no pickles; “I gotta remember to pick up some pickles the next time I’m at the store.” That’s really the end of it. You may be confusing addiction with compulsion. If you are experiencing these symptoms for extended periods of time without cannabis that’s because your issue extends beyond your cannabis use. Your cannabis use is merely distracting (or possibly temporarily alleviating) you of your larger mental health issue. Cannabis may not be helping you but it doesn’t cause a serious physical dependency. That’s all in your head.
Well done! I’m with you.
Absolutely – mirrors my experience: since 1977 I’ve been through times of plenty and times of none; many, many times. I neither saw, smelt, smoked, touched nor tasted no cannabis for more than a decade once. Of all the many, many times I’ve been through the ups and downs of anticipating, obtaining, smoking, enjoying and parting ways with cannabis, I’ve never felt any ‘need’ for it – no pangs of desire, no times of not being able to think of anything else… Whatever whoever is telling you now, cannabis is not addictive (for me, anyway and I don’t believe I’m exceptional in this). Among essentially sane users of cannabis – don’t forget that there are quite a few people in the world who are not ‘all there’, whether they use cannabis or not, and many of those who aren’t firing on all eight cylinders seek solace in cannabis – you’ll find most recount similar experience.
The one thing I can most decidedly say about cannabis, beyond the slightest shadow of any doubt, is what the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers taught me when I was a boy: ‘Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.’ Sometimes one tiny little drop of truth can outweigh and displace a sea of propaganda.
I also smoked tobacco – lots of it; good and strong, usually hand-rolled or plain (filter-less), like Kurt Vonnegut – for more than twenty years, so I know what addiction is.
You’re still here?
I smoke cannabis multiple times daily, cannabis that is quite high in THC content, grown organically indoors by the best growers in the Pacific Northwest. I’m regularly able to get hashish and hash oil, with THC content way above any bud you’re smoking from Holland.
Occasionally, I have to fly out of town for work. When I do I take no cannabis with me. Many times I’ve been absolutely without cannabis for 72 hours or longer, after smoking multiple times daily.
I sleep fine. I have no cravings. I have no withdrawals. No irritability. Nothing. Being with or without cannabis for any period of time has no deleterious effect on me whatsoever… well, aside from feeling aches and pains associated with growing older and a sedentary lifestyle.
And I know many people just like me, who can take it or leave it.
You simply cannot acknowledge the reality that cannabis didn’t work for you, but that doesn’t mean it works the same for everyone else.
Mikey, your last paragraph is the only real thing you said since we began talking.
I don´t know if you gonna try to stop smoking one day in this life. If you do, you gonna feel withdrawal symptoms. You will feel all the bad symptoms that last for a very long time (i´m considering you smoke pot with very high THC level…i smoke good stuff from holland, i don´t know what you smoke). This day, you gonna remember this conversation.
This has been addressed numerous times, most recently hit on by Dr. Mitch Earlywine during last Wednesday’s Audio Stash. The long lasting THC metabolite found in fat IS NOT ACTIVE. Active Tetrahydrocannabinol has a half life of 1.6-59 hours. It is then broken down to 11-Hydroxy-THC which is active but is only known to augment the effects of Tetrahydrocannabinol, and is not psychoactive by itself. That is then broken down into 11-COOH-THC which is the metabolite that is then stored in fat and can be detected several weeks to months after use is discontinued. Again, this metabolite is not active and it is not the Tetrahydrocannabinol that you ingest when you use marijuana! It’s not a matter of belief! I’m talking about scientific fact! This ain’t the 1500′s. I can’t just “change my mind” about scientific fact. These are the mechanisms by which THC works. How am I wrong?
Also it should be noted that sometimes in the course of medical treatment, the effects of powerful drugs like anti-depressants are needed, they are just overused by our society. When it comes to medicine, it shouldn’t be a matter of agree or disagree. It should be a matter of what works and what doesn’t. Just because a drug can do more harm than good in some cases doesn’t mean that in some cases it can’t be effective medicine.
You said “In fact the most common treatment for mental illness is powerful psychotropic drugs that get the patient high and effects neurotransmitters and dopamine levels in the brain (the same things that you say make THC NOT a medicine), in far more drastic and permanent ways than cannabis ever could.”
I agree with that….that´s why i don´t think is right the use of antidepressants and this kind of medications for example.
You said: “Your notion that THC is stored in your fat and can cause cravings as it is eliminated from your body is flat out wrong”
You want to believe in what you prefer, but thc stays in fat cells and this is a fact, no matter if you want it or not.
We can continue to talk for a very long time…now i think that you won´t change your mind soon. I will never change mine because i used to think like you but now i now in practice and in theory that i was wrong and you are wrong.
It’s not the language gap that’s at issue here Fred. It’s the fact that you swear up and down that you have information that is true that we all know is not. Your information about Marinol (THC pill) is wrong. You can’t take it and NOT get high and you can’t keep it down if you’re puking your brains out. Your claim that users of other medications don’t “take however much thay want” is wrong (from someone who has been on powerful drugs for mental problems for as long as I can remember, I was all of 10 years old when I figured out that I could just tell my doctor it isn’t working and he will happily double my dosage no questions asked.) When dealing with any medication, people take enough to feel better. There is no 1 permenant set dosage for everyone. Your notion that THC is stored in your fat and can cause cravings as it is eliminated from your body is flat out wrong. That is a metabolite that is present in fat cells, a sign that the THC is broken down and no longer active. Show me a link to where you’re getting your information. I have an open mind and all but science is pretty sure about these things. There is little scientific in opposition.
Yes we know THC causes happiness and changes in neurotransmitters. So does sleeping, sex and eating. You can change the chemistry of your brain with just about anything. Music, art, yoga, jogging, literally anything! Hell people get high as hell off placebos just from the power of suggestion changing the brain’s chemistry.
I’m sure you have come across a lot of these papers stating a “link” between cannabis use and mental illness of some kind. Technically they are correct. There is a link between cannabis use and mental illness. Many try to bridge that link into a cause and effect relationship. Like these people were perfectly fine, then used cannabis and developed mental illness. The reality is many people begin to use drugs at the onset of mental illness. The same link with mental illness exists with alcohol and other drugs. In fact the most common treatment for mental illness is powerful psychotropic drugs that get the patient high and effects neurotransmitters and dopamine levels in the brain (the same things that you say make THC NOT a medicine), in far more drastic and permanent ways than cannabis ever could.
i wrote “despersonalization” cause in portuguese we write “despersonalização”.
Russ, i really enjoyed the debate. You are inteligent but your ideas are completely different from mine today. I used to think like you but i know that i was wrong. Sorry if i disturbed you too much, was not my intention. I just wanted to bring information and make people think about my point of view. I´m sure that i´m right but you disagree. That´s the debate.
Take care man
The same for you Mikey. I disagree with you, i think there are a lot of information that if you read, you could change your mind. When you began talking to me you began saying that i don´t even know how to spell properly, like i was an uneducated; i saw you say the samething to another one and i didn´t like it at all cause we are not talking about grammar. Now you know that sometimes i change one letter or another because i´m brazilian. But that´s ok. Talking about cannabis, i think you are wrong but i respect your opinion too like i hope you respect mine.
Take care
Mikey. You need to find out information in the right spots. Like i said, neuroscience maganizes, therapists opinions, addicteds opinions. I´m not saying to you read bullshit. Most of the sites gonna tell you bullshit or something too much basic. That´s why i said to you: do a GOOD reaserch. In Portuguese i can´t find out much good information on the net; but in english you can find in the right places.
McD, I´m not a clown. Your mom is a clown. You didn´t say nothing concrete…you just offended me because you have no inteligence to argue and make a debate. I won´t lose time with someone stupid like you.
Russ, i definitely don´t think that anybody should be locked up because use cannabis, or any other drug. I´m just saying the reality: THC is not good for your health.
Thanks for answering this clown from Brazil, Russ. I’d been following this thread for several days and kept thinking I should really have a go myself, but just didn’t get around to it. He’s left quite a bit apart from ‘despersonalisation’ to sort out, so perhaps I’ll find some time to have a go over the weekend.
My brother’s wife is Brazilian. After more than twenty-five years in England, though, she still struggles with the language. Well, actually, to be more accurate, I think ‘struggle’ is probably more appropriate to others than to her, so perhaps more fitting to say, ‘Her English still makes people struggle.’
But this isn’t a question of command of the language.
No further comment for the time being.
Well said Russ. It should also be noted that Google doesn’t screen for the truth, and believe me not everything you find on the internet is the truth. Google searches about marijuana are likely to turn up a whole lot from prohibitionist groups like the Partnership for a Drug Free America as well as rehabilitation clinics. These groups have a vested interest in exaggerating the risks and harms of cannabis use.
I also like the insinuation that opioids are in some way safer than cannabis. Is that what Google told you Fred? If you Google “immortality” you will find the secret to everlasting life. As for me I’m going to go shoot as much cannabis as I can get my hands on and hope I don’t OD. I have to ward off these “extensive cravings”.
P.S. I was so concerned that my daily cannabis smoking may lead to my despersonlization that I took Fred’s advice and Googled it. Oddly, all of the information on despersonalization was found under “depersonalization”, where I found this handy test (http://strangerinthemirror.com/questionnaire.html)
Answers: Never, Once or twice, Sometimes, Many times, Almost all the time, Only with drugs or alcohol
1. I have gone thru the motions of living while the real me was far away from what was happening to me.
2. I have felt that I was living in a dream
3. I have been able to see myself from a distance, as if I were outside of my body watching a movie of myself.
4. I feel that I can turn off or detach from my emotions.
5. My behavior has felt out of control.
6. I have purposely hurt or cut myself so that I could feel pain or that I am real.
7. I have gone through the motions of working while I felt that my mind was somewhere else.
8. I feel as if I am “spacey”.
9. I have had the feeling that I was a stranger to myself or have not recognized myself in the mirror.
10. One part of me does things while an observing part talks to me about them.
11. I have felt as if parts of my body were disconnected from the rest of my body.
12. My whole body or parts of it have seemed unreal or foreign to me.
13. I have felt as if words flowed from my mouth but they were not in my control.
14. I have felt that my emotions are not in my control.
15. I have felt invisible.
Weird, I’m smoking cannabis every day and I never feel any of those things, sober or high. But even if it did, Fred, do you think I should be locked up for it?
If writing skills like those displayed above are the result of sober living, thank Jah I’m using cannabis!
Every time I’m in one of those joint-passing circles meeting a bunch of strangers for the first time, I always think about how despersonlized we all are.
But it’s interesting to note that happiness indicates disorganization of the brain’s neurotransmitters.
Fortunately, I do read the reports from England. Things like the cannabis today is 400x stronger than Woodstock Weed. That a cannabis smoking mum enraged by skunk stabbed herself to death. That the dreaded skunk is going to make all young men in Britain go schizo (despite the 10 year meta-analysis of UK psych hospitals that showed no increase in schizophrenia even as cannabis use exploded.)
I’m sorry that cannabis did not work for you and I’m happy you’ve found a good life for yourself without it. But you just cannot escape your narrow worldview enough to realize that (a) cannabis is incredible medicine and (b) many people use it responsibly with no detrimental effect.
No argument you can make justifies locking us up, Fred, without similarly demanding the imprisonment of every beer drinker and tobacco smoker. Your continued insistent tone of “You’re an addict so all your opinions are invalid” is offensive and contrary to the volumes of legitimate research and scientific and medical fact we discuss here. The fact is there are 22.5 million adult Americans who will use cannabis this year and only a very tiny minority of them are dependent upon it, and even if they are, prison is a shitty rehab.
[Desperately trying not to feed the troll]
Of Course…Cannabis is a Hallucinogen and cause despersonalization. That´s why morphine can be used to relief pain and not cannabis. Opioids don´t cause despersonalization. Other reason is: THC makes we feel happy and this indicates disorganization in neurotransmitters inside the brain. Cocaine stopped been commonly used in surgeries or to lose weight decades ago because of the same reason. (despite the fact that the effect of this 2 drugs are completely different, both increase the rate of dopamine in the brain).
Mikey. You need to learn more man…much much more. Read and learn…today we have internet, we have google man. Do a good research. Read neuroscience magazines, read what people withdrawing have to say, read what therapists in England who treat addicted people have to say about THC and than you come here again with something real, your dreams i already know. You just distort what i say the way you want.
Your statement has nothing to do with anything we were talking about. First off the term “detox” is misleading, implying that the substance is actually toxic. Neither cannabis or any of it’s constituent chemicals are toxic. AT ALL! You seem to lack any sort of understanding as to how cannabis works on the body. THC is only active in the body for only a few hours. What is detectable in drug tests and what is stored in the fat is THC metabolites, not THC. As these metabolites leave the body they have no effect whatsoever other than showing up in a piss test. How does that make marijuana dangerous? The fat that the metabolites are stored in lasts in your body longer than the metabolites themselves, with a far more harmful effect on the persons health. How does that say that cannabis isn’t medicine? Many of these powerful pharmaceuticals you say are “better” can also cause permanent and irreparable damage to the people that take them. (and yes, many of them can be abused through smoking). Regardless of it’s method; smoking, ingestion, VAPORIZATION, cannabis’ therapeutic effects have been shown in study after study and touted by medical professionals all over the world. Just because some use cannabis recreationaly and some even abuse it doesn’t mean that it’s not an effective medication. Many effective medications are abused. Does that mean everyone that takes them just wants to get high?
Mikey. I´m not American, I´m Brazilian. And my english is from far better than your portuguese.
So, you asked me to educate you . Here we go:
THC detox is a very tough process. When marijuana is consumed, the THC, which is fat-soluble, gets absorbed in the fatty issues within our body. It is broken down and released into the blood. The metabolite stays in the system for long. This in turn induces extensive cravings, creates distraction and stimulates difficulty in retaining the focus.
That´s enough for you today…wanna learn more? Pay me.
And what makes you an expert? You can’t even demonstrate proper 9th grade level grammar and spelling. I think I’ll take the word of the many scientists and health care professionals that assert cannabis is a safe and effective medicine over… whoever the hell you are. With every sentence you prove more and more how little you know about this issue. I guess the AMA’s full of people who just want to get high too eh? Hey man, do me a favor. Next time you’re puking your brains out, try to swallow a pill and keep it down. See how well that works for ya. In fact, since you smoke weed and all, go out and score yourself one of the lowest dose Marinol pills, take it and tell me you don’t get higher than you have ever been in your life. There is no “take a small enough dosage you don’t get high” with that stuff. What other medicines are safer and more effective that cannabis? What makes THC so “dangerous”? C’mon buddy, you’re the “expert” here. Educate us.
Everybody here just wanna get high. Pain and other health conditions are just an excuse to use the drug. There are a lot of remedies better than THC for this health conditions. And how weed could be a remedy if patientes use how many they want and when they want to. People who use an antidepressant for example don´t use how many pills they want. And have you ever seen someone smoking medicine? This is crazy. If you want to use THC to help nausea for example you would take pills of THC with a very little dosage so you would feel better about the nausea but you wouldn´t get high. This would be acceptable but i disagree too because like i said before, there are many other medicines better than THC to help any health conditions.
So people who smoke marijuana to treat disease or pain are just tokers who don´t admit that they just wanna get high or didn´t noticed it yet. I smoke weed, but i admit that THC is a dangerous drug like all the others and smoking it is not good for health at all.
“…it can’t be grown in huge open fields, sown and harvested with modern agribusiness techniques, and sold in bulk at vastly reduced prices…”
Why not? That’s exactly what the Mexicans (‘cartels’) are doing and they’re not the only ones! Half of the Western United States’ National Parks are thus productive, aren’t they? OK, so a couple of guerilla growers’ operatives sleeping in the fields with AK-47′s may not meet the most commonly accepted definition of modern agribusiness techniques, but it obviously works for them. (And will continue to do so until more friendly entities are allowed to compete.)
Sure thing man. Just give us your address?
can you just send me soem dope so i can get baked for free im sick of payin for my weed hook use up by dont be shi me and me buddy here in da cove would love to have some free weed . and a gram of weed is $10 and a half quotor is $35 its a dollor a point dumb ass 10-4 send me some pot and were best kind
I’m not so sure the $20-50 an eight would be a good idea. too easily abused then. Im all about free will and not butting into personal decisions…but knowing how people do abuse the medication, this would only make it worse. Also, dealers get med. cards and buy it cheap, then sell it cheaper than the next guy. That’s why the market stays the same. id say about 8-10 street dealers Ive known get their product from dispensaries. I dunno about you, but being a med patient and a grower, I’m not so sure id want my meds grown in huge fields, sprayed down by pesticides like all the other food we get from those kinds of places. (would YOU smoke a marijuana ciggerette produced by camel or Marlboro?? I wouldn’t! who knows what addicting chemicals they would add,just like tobacco)
cant really steam flash, or rinse off weed now can you? to get the high quality product, it needs alot of attention and care. i always say, you know why its $20 a g/ once you grow it. its easy to grow, its not so easy to grow QUALITY meds.
So, of course there will always be a black market…the gov. made it that way by criminalizing it. that’s what happens when there is something in demand that is prohibited. it forms a underground market.
Now there is “good” users, and “bad” users, so there is a white/black market. They will both have the same product price because if dealers can get it cheaper, they will. the co-ops make that possible. and 55 an 1/8th? i see it but don’t buy it. I know plenty of places in SO CA that offer 35 1/8th and 45 1/8 caps, and that’s for the good stuff. all in all, I think prices should remain mid prices…i know how much i smoke when i have it, and how little i smoke when I don’t. I think anyone can say they get medicated a little more often than they absolutely need to when they have a lot of meds. I’m sure there are the exceptions. Just a thought.
“ms in need help”, do you realize how illegal that is? If you do in fact have multiple sclerosis, there are MANY better medicinal options than marijuana, considering the seriousness of the condition you are effected by. Talk to you insurance company and doctor to see better, legal alternatives to pleading to a random stranger to send you pot via mail. Not to mention, if someone was actually dumb enough to mail you drugs and you did get caught, the fact that you posted your address leaves incriminating evidence behind anyway. You might want to think before you type next time–maybe use the spelling and grammar check before you submit as well…
I am 39 have ms live in have medical lice for marijuana use i need help due to living standings my health don’t pay for my use for pain don’t recognize it yet if any one can help send me some a sample what they get discreet of course due people out there i have been in allot pain have not had it in 4 months so much pain cant grow it as i am not in best circumstances to due so yet getting help from a friend in feb 2010 when he gets on i met him he has cancer and will grow for us both i keep it under lid with everyone under my rights if anyone can help me i will send reasonable check here pharmacy is expensive and need go back weekly i cant walk was doing better pain wise now i m badly in need if anyone feels my pain has stuff that good no lace bull please send in a way by fed ex overnight so gets through quick and i say packed in coffee not good at it just what see in movies lol can mail to me jimmy m, 24 curson street upstairs ,west Warwick, Rhode island 02893 again on pain management don’t have means to grow aS allowed to grow and pharmacy is really out outrageous under my amendment ask anyone reading not good person stop don’t bother i have no where to turn i figure i try this room seems like alot nice people have hearts i am fighting sickness daily and the gov to legalize for all as alchaholics i believe are way worse buy a long shot as my dad was one and never see to many crash car after smoking govt tells us different we use it no the real deal thank use god bless please anyone can send whatever god will repay you 10 fold as bible says posted oct 22,2009 my birthday week home alone as usual as friends leave when u get sick as well as a finance weird god shows us true colors god bless no cops setups have med card will return favors promise on parents grave.
I am a registered patient in michigan and my wife is a registered grower. We want to open a dispensary if that is legal, cant find to much information on that and if not here then somewhere else. For years i have paid outrageous prices, well me and my wife would like to offer the medicine at what it costs to grow it and the costs to run the place. I mean that literally we do not want to get rich with profit , we just want to get it to the patients who need it can any one send me information on michigan law regarding this matter. Rick Baird
I don’t think so. LA County already has hundreds of dispensaries, and the prices are fairly uniform and consistent with the black market.
The problem is not on the retail end, it’s the wholesale end. There is far more demand than supply, so scarcity keeps the price high in both the white (dispensary) and black (street) market. It’s not that there aren’t enough dispensaries, it’s that there aren’t enough huge-ass Eddy Lepp-sized marijuana plantations, because farming like that is federally illegal.
So long as there is medical-only marijuana, there will exist a black market for those of us deemed too healthy to smoke pot. Now, once you legalize for everyone and big fields are possible, then I agree, more competition will drive down prices. Dale Gieringer of California NORML predicts that if marijuana were truly a legal mass-farmed modern crop, it would cost $1-$2 per ounce to produce. Even with retail markup and “sin”-taxation, it shouldn’t cost more than $20-$50 per ounce.
There needs to be more legal competition in the market. That’ll drive down prices to the point where the black market is forced out of existence.
Since illegal suppliers need compensating for acting illegally, legal suppliers will always be able to undercut them, as long as the incentive is there to do so.
On the street $40-50 a eighth tops.
Giving it away & then charging $55 to repeats.
Charging more than you would find it for elsewhere is compassion?
“I’m showing what true compassion is for this industry, for all the patients that really need the medicine,” (but wont be able to afford with your surcharge of $5-10 on every 1/8oz patients buy )
“Through the pot promotion, the dispensary hopes to draw attention to collectives that overcharge and lack compassion, Wiegman said.” (and yours is a good price?)