How can you tell Bruce Cain is lying about NORML again? His lips are moving.
How many times do we have to re-post this to rebut Bruce Cain’s lies about NORML? We always have and always will support the right of a marijuana consumer to grow their own. It’s featured prominently on our “Personal Use” section:
The Importance of Permitting Consumers the Right to Cultivate Marijuana for Personal Use
…we support the imposition of a reasonable tax on commercial cannabis sales that could raise substantial revenue for the various states, to be used for drug education and other programs to encourage responsible use and to discourage abuse. But as we work toward these goals, it is crucial that we underscore the importance of permitting consumers the option to grow their own cannabis.
Alcohol consumers possess the legal right to create their own home brew, free from government interference. Although the vast majority of alcohol drinkers never utilizes this freedom, and prefers the convenience of purchasing alcohol at a retail outlet, that option remains available to those who wish to use it. We believe that similar regulations should govern the non-retail production of cannabis.
The cultivation of cannabis for personal use is the single most important element of the NORML legalization proposal. Allowing for the legal, personal cultivation of cannabis provides consumers with the option to grow their own product should commercially available sources offer cannabis that fails to meet the consumers’ needs because it is excessively expensive, too heavily taxed, or of inferior quality. The mere threat of consumers exercising this option should be sufficient to assure that the legal market for cannabis will be responsive to the needs of consumers, and will not be exploitative.
This has been explained to him in numerous times in print, on blog, and in emails, by myself, Paul Armentano, and Allen St. Pierre. Yet time after time, Bruce Cain continues to lie about our proposal for marijuana legalization (whether other groups may have their sights on marijuana monopolization is for the reader to decide). Fortunately the tireless MikeCann in Boston with MassCann/NORML has taken the lies and the corrections to video.
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bruce cain is always bullshiting .. all over facebook , i get into it with him a lot .. he`s a real idiot ! ,thats all i have to say at this time …-peace and support norml people
I have always said, I support every cannabis pro-legislation initiative worldwide – but not at the expense of truth, especially when the campaigner is telling lies about another Group – in this case – NORMl.
Watch this video and see. I have been researching MERP in the past few days and have asked a couple of prominent people about it, but no one replied. I wonder why???
We have been waiting for a LONG TIME for cannabis to be legalised for general use and we just CANNOT AFFORD any kind of spanner in the works at this point of the game. It is hard enough already to convince mainstream society about cannabis and for sure, a lot of folks in California will vote “yes” on the tax benefits – something that we might not like but might have to get used to. LET US NOT LOSE THIS PRESENT OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL LEGALISATION IN CALIFORNIA – we can work together on the reform later, once Joe Slick is happy.
Support the California “Regulate, Control & Tax Cannabis 2010 Act” November 2nd – we go forward from there. If we blow this – the campaign gets set back A LOT – and THAT surely has got to be unacceptable to sincere pro-cannabis campaigners ???????
If the man continues to publish and say things that are patently untrue and are causing you damage – JUST SUE THE MAN FOR LIBEL/SLANDER.
Quit wasting time with rebuttal and let the courts show that the man is a liar and not to be trusted.
Who wants to bet that there wasn’t ANYONE at this talk… not just NORML supporters.
Tensity, thank you for describing the Nevada I know… basically rural Idaho with casinos and brothels.
Can’t we get some kind of injunction to keep that Cain dork from lying about NORML’s intentions? Seems to me he’s creating some negative publicity we could well do without. I believe in free speech, but not when it’s this type of distortion of facts and outright lies. Is he just retarded? His goal seems to be exactly that of NORML’s, with respect to home grow opportunity for those so inclined, yet he continues to misstate our position. I say “our” as I consider myself an honorary member, having won the El Jefe Hotwings Contest.
Speaking of which, Russ, thanks for mailing me that beautiful pipe from Starfish Designs. While I can’t use it (again) just yet due to upcoming UA possibilities, I will do so at my earliest opportunity, and let you know how that goes. My sister has some kinda redbud home-grown she says will make me hallucinate…I said “sounds like peyote, not weed” but she insists it’s pure cannabliss. The only time weed made me hallucinate, I think it was laced with PCP or something…I was holding a heavy chain, and it turned into a snake and slithered out of my hands. I’ve never heard of weed having that kind of vivid palpable hallucinatory effect on anyone…anyone?
Off-topic to the post, but on-topic to a comment, as a Nevadan, I support the MPP-backed initiative, even though it doesn’t allow for home grow. The initiative won’t mess with current med laws, and has some provisions to limit monopolization of the licensed market. I don’t fully understand the opposition I’ve seen on NORML and MPP boards against this initiative.
I understand the want and need for home growing, but I, as with the majority of potential MJ users, would find it perfectly acceptable to buy MJ at retail without legal repercussions. As long as the quality is acceptable and prices reasonable, I’m open to this (huge) baby step in the right direction.
If there are issues with price and quality, the market–legal or illegal–will adjust the situation. Besides, I can’t imagine anyone home growing now who really wants to would give it up. There is still the problem of illegality, but unless it is a huge grow-op, I can’t imagine a concentrated push to ferret out small home growers in a state with a legal, regulated market. Also, legal or illegal, one shouldn’t be stupid about home growing.
Legal home growing will follow eventually, but Nevada isn’t some libertine party palace. Nevada is a lot more conservative than people realize, particularly outside of Las Vegas; and Las Vegas, though metropolitan, isn’t just booze and gambling and the Strip. It is almost 2 million people in three cities and many suburbs who worry about drugs and crime, good schools for their children, and everything else most families are concerned with. It would be one thing if there was an overwhelming majority opinion for legalization and the power (politicians in office) to do it without restriction, but that is not the case, as the failure of past initiatives in Nevada has shown. With the right balance of provisions, allowances, and restrictions, there is a good chance, now more than ever, to get some kind of legalization and regulation, but currently there is NOT the OVERWHELMING majority opinion or political POWER to pull it off the way MJ advocates would completely like.
Seeing how past initiatives for med- and non-med MJ have succeeded and failed over the past decade+, I believe this MPP-backed initiative probably will pass (and unless our initiative laws have changed, will have to again pass the following election cycle to become law). With the simple progression of time, the flow of truth from the Internet, and the fiscal reality of the current economic situation, the conditions are right for a well-run initiative campaign to become voted into law, directly by the people instead of gutless or ineffective elected officials. If this is a problem for any Nevadan MJ proponents, then I think you need to check your stash, because I don’t think it is MJ you’re smoking (or want to smoke).
just removed myself from the MPP mailing list, this is not the first time these guys have done something like this. A very close friend of mine here in Michigan was a co author of Prop 1 and he shared some of his info with his norml friends he has know for 20 something years and MPP kicked him off of the bill because of that. EFFFFF MPP and their corporate machine. I learned a lot about MPP in the last year and dont care for them too much, we are all supposed to be on the same team…oh yeah and i dont see them reaching out to us like norml and NORM SHOW LIVE, which is the best show ever!!!! Thank you Russ and the norml team
I feel ya, Neg. I too am disappointed by folks who will jump at any old bill or initiative that has the word “marijuana” in it without thinking about the unintended consequences of poor legislation. For me and for National NORML, the deal breaker for support is any bill that usurps the right of home grow.
However, we do have to report on the “reform of marijuana laws” and sometimes that means blogging about a New Jersey or an Arizona where marijuana is quasi-legalized but home grow is forbidden. You also have to understand that while nationally we can’t support a non-home grow statute, politically we can’t be seen as opposing it, either, because even without home grow, these legislative changes will protect some people from arrest for marijuana.
Finally, remember that National NORML is a non-profit org that affiliates with a whole bunch of other independent non-profit orgs using the NORML name. We value their independence and diversity, so we may have a situation like an AZ4NORML or NORML NJ working hard to pass these initiatives / bills that aren’t what we’d consider the best thing that could be passed, but we must respect their independent right to support them if they feel that’s the best move in their political landscape.
I would also like to mention that while I do not believe NORML is a secret, corporate, market-cornering organization. I do believe that the organization on the whole (at least as expressed by the enthusiasm of participation on this site and the articles posted on the NORML main page) is a bit too eager to support ANY marijuana legalization bill, be it for medicine or for recreation. For example, the NJ legislation keeps home cultivation outlawed correct?
I take the stance that personal cultivation is a right that shouldn’t be locked away by a lobby with a special interest in keeping it from being so. I cannot support any legislation that prevents people who are so inclined from cultivating the crop themselves. I do agree that large scale indoor and outdoor ops should be subject to dept of agriculture jurisdiction and safety inspection. Where the line between large and small ops should be drawn is a matter for OSHA I think. The only reason the govt should be involved in your grow op at all should be to determine your actual productivity for tax reasons (if the product is for sale to the public) and to ensure that your wiring scheme wont cause a fire and destroy the countryside.
It is for the above reasons that I, personally, do not support the current legalization matter being pursued by MPP and nevadans for sensible marijuana law. You cant put up the entire statewide industry for sale for the total of 550,000 dollars in licensing fees…