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		<title>By: Patrick D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God said, &quot;Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat.&quot; … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God said, &#8220;Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat.&#8221; … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this bill has already been declared illegal under Constitutional law.

U.S. Supreme Court 
BREITHAUPT v. ABRAM, 352 U.S. 432 (1957) 

Rochin v. California. 342 U.S. 165 , and Brown v. Mississippi. 297 U.S. 278 ,

Weeks v. United States, 232 U.S. 383 (1914)




MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS, with whom MR. JUSTICE BLACK joins, dissenting. 

&quot;The Court seems to sanction in the name of law enforcement the assault made by the police on this unconscious man. If law enforcement were the chief value in our constitutional scheme, then due process would shrivel [352 U.S. 432, 443]   and become of little value in protecting the rights of the citizen. But those who fashioned the Constitution put certain rights out of the reach of the police and preferred other rights over law enforcement. 

One source of protection of the citizen against state action is the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Our decisions hold that the police violate due process when they use brutal methods to obtain evidence against a man and use it to convict him. Rochin v. California, 342 U.S. 165 ; Chambers v. Florida, 309 U.S. 227 . But the conception of due process is not limited to a prohibition of the use of force and violence against an accused. In Leyra v. Denno, 347 U.S. 556 , we set aside a conviction where subtle, nonviolent methods had been used to exact a confession from a prisoner. For it was obvious that coercion might be the product of subtlety as well as of violence. We should take the same libertarian approach here. 

As I understand today&#039;s decision there would be a violation of due process if the blood had been withdrawn from the accused after a struggle with the police. But the sanctity of the person is equally violated and his body assaulted where the prisoner is incapable of offering resistance as it would be if force were used to overcome his resistance. In both cases evidence is used to convict a man which has been obtained from him on an involuntary basis. I would not draw a line between the use of force on the one hand and trickery, subterfuge, or any police technique which takes advantage of the inability of the prisoner to resist on the other. Nor would I draw a line between involuntary extraction of words from his lips, the involuntary extraction of the contents of his stomach, and the involuntary extraction of fluids of his body when the evidence obtained is used to convict him. Under our system of government, police cannot compel people to furnish the evidence necessary to send them to prison. [352 U.S. 432, 444]   Yet there is compulsion here, following the violation by the police of the sanctity of the body of an unconscious man. 

And if the decencies of a civilized state are the test, it is repulsive to me for the police to insert needles into an unconscious person in order to get the evidence necessary to convict him, whether they find the person unconscious, give him a pill which puts him to sleep, or use force to subdue him. The indignity to the individual is the same in one case as in the other, for in each is his body invaded and assaulted by the police who are supposed to be the citizen&#039;s protector. 

I would reverse this judgment of conviction.&quot; [352 U.S. 432, 445]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this bill has already been declared illegal under Constitutional law.</p>
<p>U.S. Supreme Court<br />
BREITHAUPT v. ABRAM, 352 U.S. 432 (1957) </p>
<p>Rochin v. California. 342 U.S. 165 , and Brown v. Mississippi. 297 U.S. 278 ,</p>
<p>Weeks v. United States, 232 U.S. 383 (1914)</p>
<p>MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS, with whom MR. JUSTICE BLACK joins, dissenting. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Court seems to sanction in the name of law enforcement the assault made by the police on this unconscious man. If law enforcement were the chief value in our constitutional scheme, then due process would shrivel [352 U.S. 432, 443]   and become of little value in protecting the rights of the citizen. But those who fashioned the Constitution put certain rights out of the reach of the police and preferred other rights over law enforcement. </p>
<p>One source of protection of the citizen against state action is the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Our decisions hold that the police violate due process when they use brutal methods to obtain evidence against a man and use it to convict him. Rochin v. California, 342 U.S. 165 ; Chambers v. Florida, 309 U.S. 227 . But the conception of due process is not limited to a prohibition of the use of force and violence against an accused. In Leyra v. Denno, 347 U.S. 556 , we set aside a conviction where subtle, nonviolent methods had been used to exact a confession from a prisoner. For it was obvious that coercion might be the product of subtlety as well as of violence. We should take the same libertarian approach here. </p>
<p>As I understand today&#8217;s decision there would be a violation of due process if the blood had been withdrawn from the accused after a struggle with the police. But the sanctity of the person is equally violated and his body assaulted where the prisoner is incapable of offering resistance as it would be if force were used to overcome his resistance. In both cases evidence is used to convict a man which has been obtained from him on an involuntary basis. I would not draw a line between the use of force on the one hand and trickery, subterfuge, or any police technique which takes advantage of the inability of the prisoner to resist on the other. Nor would I draw a line between involuntary extraction of words from his lips, the involuntary extraction of the contents of his stomach, and the involuntary extraction of fluids of his body when the evidence obtained is used to convict him. Under our system of government, police cannot compel people to furnish the evidence necessary to send them to prison. [352 U.S. 432, 444]   Yet there is compulsion here, following the violation by the police of the sanctity of the body of an unconscious man. </p>
<p>And if the decencies of a civilized state are the test, it is repulsive to me for the police to insert needles into an unconscious person in order to get the evidence necessary to convict him, whether they find the person unconscious, give him a pill which puts him to sleep, or use force to subdue him. The indignity to the individual is the same in one case as in the other, for in each is his body invaded and assaulted by the police who are supposed to be the citizen&#8217;s protector. </p>
<p>I would reverse this judgment of conviction.&#8221; [352 U.S. 432, 445]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus said,

if a man compells you to go a mile, get in the drivers seat and drive them two. 

but these wicked men no longer care for the People, it is their hearts desire to spit venom and poison and wrath into the lives of those they fear. 
They don&#039;t care about keeping the highways safe, they care about securing prosecution, they want to destroy people in the criminal justice meat grinder, not keep the highways safe. 
They want to satisfy their wrath- they get off on making people submit to them, like rapists. 
They are led by their fears, do not follow them, they&#039;re going to Hell. They are dangerous- not because I say, but because God said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus said,</p>
<p>if a man compells you to go a mile, get in the drivers seat and drive them two. </p>
<p>but these wicked men no longer care for the People, it is their hearts desire to spit venom and poison and wrath into the lives of those they fear.<br />
They don&#8217;t care about keeping the highways safe, they care about securing prosecution, they want to destroy people in the criminal justice meat grinder, not keep the highways safe.<br />
They want to satisfy their wrath- they get off on making people submit to them, like rapists.<br />
They are led by their fears, do not follow them, they&#8217;re going to Hell. They are dangerous- not because I say, but because God said.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a negotiable matter. The Bible, the Word of God, is so explicit on this matter that there is no other command so explicit. This bill is hellfire deadly. This is pure evil from satan himself. You will lose your life, but they will lose their souls.
 
1 Tim 4:1 &quot;Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared&quot;

Jude 1:8 &quot;Yet these men, as a result of their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and insult the glorious ones... these men do not understand the things they slander, and they are being destroyed by the very things that, like irrational animals, they instinctively comprehend. Woe to them! For they have traveled down Cain’s path, and because of greed have abandoned themselves to Balaam’s error; hence, they will certainly perish in Korah’s rebellion.

Genesis 9:6- “Whoever sheds human blood, by other humans must his blood be shed; for in God’s image God has made humankind.”



(Montana House of Reps
LC1971- SB 212 
Sponsor: VERDELL JACKSON (R)SD 5, e-mail- vjack@centurytel.net
Hearing 01/20/2009 Revise law for revocation of medical marijuana registration_ 




DO NOT SUBMIT. They will threaten to use force. They will strap you down. They will use force. You will be physically, and psychologically hurt. Do not submit.


worst case scenario,
If you are violated in this manner:

1. Get out of the place.
Come out of her

2.
Wait on God, He will kill them in His time


God Bless,
Jeff Lucas


(Acts chapter 15) there are four commands of abstinence given to a servant of Christ. To abstain from foods offered in idol sacrifice, to abstain from fornication, to abstain from things strangled, and to abstain from the blood; for the life of the flesh is in the blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a negotiable matter. The Bible, the Word of God, is so explicit on this matter that there is no other command so explicit. This bill is hellfire deadly. This is pure evil from satan himself. You will lose your life, but they will lose their souls.</p>
<p>1 Tim 4:1 &#8220;Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared&#8221;</p>
<p>Jude 1:8 &#8220;Yet these men, as a result of their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and insult the glorious ones&#8230; these men do not understand the things they slander, and they are being destroyed by the very things that, like irrational animals, they instinctively comprehend. Woe to them! For they have traveled down Cain’s path, and because of greed have abandoned themselves to Balaam’s error; hence, they will certainly perish in Korah’s rebellion.</p>
<p>Genesis 9:6- “Whoever sheds human blood, by other humans must his blood be shed; for in God’s image God has made humankind.”</p>
<p>(Montana House of Reps<br />
LC1971- SB 212<br />
Sponsor: VERDELL JACKSON (R)SD 5, e-mail- <a href="mailto:vjack@centurytel.net">vjack@centurytel.net</a><br />
Hearing 01/20/2009 Revise law for revocation of medical marijuana registration_ </p>
<p>DO NOT SUBMIT. They will threaten to use force. They will strap you down. They will use force. You will be physically, and psychologically hurt. Do not submit.</p>
<p>worst case scenario,<br />
If you are violated in this manner:</p>
<p>1. Get out of the place.<br />
Come out of her</p>
<p>2.<br />
Wait on God, He will kill them in His time</p>
<p>God Bless,<br />
Jeff Lucas</p>
<p>(Acts chapter 15) there are four commands of abstinence given to a servant of Christ. To abstain from foods offered in idol sacrifice, to abstain from fornication, to abstain from things strangled, and to abstain from the blood; for the life of the flesh is in the blood.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bahaha

WOW.

Bogus piece of legislation to say the least. Hope it doesn&#039;t pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bahaha</p>
<p>WOW.</p>
<p>Bogus piece of legislation to say the least. Hope it doesn&#8217;t pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am certainly not an expert.&quot; Uh, duh. 
Here we go with more policies that are going cost the state $$$ and give citizens a tremendous headache. I call bullshit, not only on his attempts to enact this policy, but also on his horrible tie selection.

Who the hell dresses these drug warriors? Are they supposed to look like toolbags on purpose? (insert picture of Jim Ramstad here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am certainly not an expert.&#8221; Uh, duh.<br />
Here we go with more policies that are going cost the state $$$ and give citizens a tremendous headache. I call bullshit, not only on his attempts to enact this policy, but also on his horrible tie selection.</p>
<p>Who the hell dresses these drug warriors? Are they supposed to look like toolbags on purpose? (insert picture of Jim Ramstad here)</p>
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		<title>By: moldy</title>
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		<dc:creator>moldy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Russ would say &quot;SHOW US THE BODIES!&quot; Where are they? How many people are injured or killed from MJ-DUI? They still haven&#039;t controlled DUI from booze yet in which they DO have a body count. 

Haven&#039;t they invented enough laws to control our minds sufficiently yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Russ would say &#8220;SHOW US THE BODIES!&#8221; Where are they? How many people are injured or killed from MJ-DUI? They still haven&#8217;t controlled DUI from booze yet in which they DO have a body count. </p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t they invented enough laws to control our minds sufficiently yet?</p>
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