I am the producer of The NORML Network, the host of the NORML SHOW LIVE and The NORML Stash Blog, and NORML's Outreach Coordinator. I'm married, live in Portland, Oregon, and I am a registered medical marijuana caregiver in this state. I've worked days as an IT geek and nights as a professional musician. Previously, I have been the host of my own political talk radio show on satellite radio. I've been the High Times "Freedom Fighter of the Month" and I travel across the country to educate people on marijuana reform. I've dedicated my life to bringing an end to adult marijuana prohibition and re-legalizing cannabis hemp, and I'm honored to be chosen by NORML to give voice to the Marijuana Nation and to speak for those who can't speak up.

30 responses to “Yet another member of the Church of Lighter Wallets about to lose a religious use marijuana case”

  1. NORML Responds to Religious Cannabis Users: Ending Prohibition Protects ALL of Us | Marijuana News

    [...] Trevor Douglass sent $50 to Roger for his card, argued his religious use, lost, was fined $135 + court costs and given 15 hours of community service… in Colorado, where decrim fought for by NORML would have made it just a $100 ticket. (http://stash.norml.org/yet-another-member-of-the-church-of-lighter-wallets-about-to-lose-a-religious…) [...]

  2. NORML Responds to Religious Cannabis Users: Ending Prohibition Protects ALL of Us | The NORML Stash Blog

    [...] Trevor Douglass sent $50 to Roger for his card, argued his religious use, lost, was fined $135 + court costs and given 15 hours of community service… in Colorado, where decrim fought for by NORML would have made it just a $100 ticket. (http://stash.norml.org/yet-another-member-of-the-church-of-lighter-wallets-about-to-lose-a-religious…) [...]

  3. Carl Olsen

    I don’t know about you, but I spend most of my time in court and administrative cases and I’m winning. I won my case against the Board of Pharmacy last April 2009 and got a favorable ruling from the Board of Pharmacy in February 2010. No wonder I think I have something going.

  4. Carl Olsen

    We’ve heard it before. The Jews were the ones who accused Christ, so the fact that pot smokers hate us is the same old story.

  5. Adam, WA

    I never claimed to represent anyone but my self.
    A regular guy, a smoker, not a lawyer.

    I state my opinion based on what I know.
    The more the distance between you guys and future MJ reform the better.

  6. Carl Olsen

    Who is worthy to defend my right to life and liberty? You? I’ve been hearing this all my life (people telling me I’m not worthy to fight for my own rights). You fight for your rights and I’ll fight for mine. You are not worth to represent me.

  7. Patrick Duff

    You answered nothing, you rather lie by omitting facts, a true esquire….

  8. Adam, WA

    To be clear, I support your right to smoke weed for what ever reason you please.

    IT is clear that your lack of support didn’t start with me. Many, smarter than me, have heard your rant before and chose to not be involved with you and maybe your cause.

    I think that you and your peers in this argument are very passionate about your cause and thats great.
    The thing with Passion is that it can also be BLINDING.
    I believe you may be so blinded that you can’t seen reason and reality. (Some might call it crazy)
    You’ve been So involved for SO long that any argument that in any way doesn’t fall in line with your agenda is a threat.
    I’m not saying that your agenda isn’t worthy, It’s just that your not worthy of the agenda.

    Your no longer affective as spokesman for your cause, possibly hurting more than helping.

    Thanks to Carl and Rev and you Pat, for this entertaining bit of conversation over the last few days.
    Rev I’m not quite on board with all your beliefs but I think you have represented well, those of us who are interested in Marijuana Freedom for everyone. You’ve taken the high road, when it would have been easy to fall.

    To the others, just realize that all this has gained you more foe than friends when it Could have brought good attention to your cause.
    Despite your personal feelings about NORML, MPP, etc. they are your best chance at ever seeing religious freedom, Like it or Not.
    You have successfully ensured that you’ll get no support from these groups, and their 1000′s of supporters, in the future. Good Job!

    No, I wont keep doing this back and forth with you. It’s pointless!
    Smoke your weed and be happy!
    Peace to all,
    Adam

  9. Carl Olsen

    As the Iowa Board of Pharmacy ruled on July 21, 2009, “Olsen is, after all, the same person who argued in federal court that unloading 40,000 pounds of marijuana from an ocean going vessel is equivalent to ceremonial use of peyote by Native Americans.”

  10. Carl Olsen

    Actually, Keith Stroup is not the only one who wants to avoid defending religious use of cannabis. The Marijuana Policy Project was offering a grant to help with a religious case until I applied for it. My case, Olsen v. DEA, 878 F.2d 1458 (D.C. Cir. 1989), is cited in the majority of religious claims for marijuana as the reason for denying the claim. Nobody wants to have the guy who got busted with 20 tons of marijuana and claimed it was sacrament as a client, other than a conservative Christian civil rights organization known as the Rutherford Institute that paid my legal expenses on my last go around, Olsen v. Mukasey, 541 F.3d 827 (8th Cir. 2008). I’ve also been rejected by the ACLU, the Drug Policy Alliance, and on and on. Since the war on marijuana users is driven by religous rhetoric claiming marijuana is evil, it makes sense that marijuana users are gun shy of religion. If your religion is not politically correct, it isn’t accepted. Justice Scalia even said so in Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872, 890 (1990) (“It may fairly be said that leaving accommodation to the political process will place at a relative disadvantage those religious practices that are not widely engaged in; …”).

  11. Patrick Duff

    Hey Adam, I was waiting for a response, any?

  12. Carl Olsen

    I’ve tried to use both of those cases, Guerrero and yours, as well as United States v. Bauer, and lost in the Eighth Circuit. Trying to use those cases in the Eighth CIrcuit is like trying to use medical marijuana in a state that does not have a medical marijuana law. The law only applies to certain areas of the country. I’m very happy for your victory, but this is still far from being over. Guerrero never took his case to the U.S. Supreme Court, and neither did you. I did, and I lost. I took my religious claim to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1990 and again in 2009. The court refused to provide me the protection of the First Amendment in 1990, and refused to provide me the protection of RFRA in 2009. The standard is threat to public health and safety. The courts where I live are going along with Reefer Madness, which just assumes harm without any actual proof of any harm.

  13. Patrick Duff

    In this world many people practice many different religions and our founding Fathers knew as to make the freedom to choose one or another the very first 10 words of our Bill of Rights. They didn’t put a freedom to choose a medicine, they specified, religion. It is impossible to know exactly why they chose religion as our first right as a citizen, but they did.

    My choice to use cannabis as a sacrament or a medicine should be accepted either way, since the only “victim”, is myself. I am not here to make Roger look any other way then the Creator wants him to be seen, or yourself, I am here to speak the truth.

    The truth needs to be told about certain aspects of NORML, and I will tell you a couple things that bother me, try and prove me wrong.

    I have been bamboozled by more then one lawyer listed on NORML’s website, so called 420 attorneys. They show up when the time is convenient and they answer to a higher power inside of the NORML pool of lawyers. They don’t charge reduced rates, at least not to anyone I know that has used any of them, they actually charge more. They like to take plea bargains rather then fight the case in trial. I have had a patient serve 6 months in jail for 4 plants just because he had an expired rec. He payed $15,000 for a plea bargain and 6 months in jail, ouch.

    As to what NORML has done for actual legalization, you jumped from what happened in the 1970′s with some states decriminalizing cannabis to 1998 when some NORML employees who jumped ship actually made some headlines. What happened to the 20 something years in between?

    I have had conversations with Keith Stroup and Allen St. Pierre, both said to me four years ago that NORML will never support the religious use of cannabis. I believe that this type of thinking has been trickling down for years in the organization known as NORML.

    Carl:

    Guam Vs. Geurrero found that the possesion of cannabis was legal as it pertains to the religious practice of Rastafarians, but the importation was not, which is ridiculous but it’s the ruling.

    The case I was involved in the judge said :
    “At most, defendants’ testimony suggests that Rastafarians cannot practice their religion without some freedom to possess marijuana, but the Regulation criminalizes the possession of marijuana only in national parks. Since the Regulation does not forbid Forchion and Duff from possessing marijuana outside of national parks, it creates no impediment to the free exercise of their faith in their homes, their houses of worship, or other non-federal locations. With so many alternative places to practice Rastafarianism, the ban on marijuana possession in national parks does not force Forchion and Duff to choose between abandoning their faith and facing criminal prosecution. Thus, Judge Rapoport did not clearly err in finding that the Regulation did not substantially burden their religious beliefs.”

    I don’t know how you read that but every attorney who does admits that gives me the right to practice my religion in my home, house of worship or and non-federal location.

    Ciao

  14. Adam, WA

    I just don’t get it !?!?

    First off, If you think NORML is getting some one rich your ignorant as hell! All the financial records for NORML are available on-line for anyone to dig through… I have, no ones getting rich!
    Are the Churches records public? Most church leaders make a “fair” salary….

    The Legal committee is made up of Lawyers across the country who support Marijuana Reform and do tons of work for a reduced rate or FREE.
    You brag about a 106-7 record in court cases, My guess is that number would be drowned in the flood of cases defended and won by the NORML lawyers in 30 years of work. If I ever get busted I’m calling a NORML lawyer not a strip mall church with good intentions but no real defense in court.

    I see these folks all pissed off and upset by this story. NORML didn’t make this news. Norml reported this story just like many blogs and news sites, the listeners dictate much of the Stash sites content.
    The Cannabis community made this news.

    :angel: ” I made him a member a few weeks ago to assist the young man in his legal situation. He donated zero.”

    This in it’s self says to me that anyone who wants a card and be a member of this church, NO need to actually “believe” to qualify. You did a nice thing by trying to help this guy but if I can see right through this attempt to hide behind a religious defense, so will any Judge or Jury.

    You may have been being nice, but it bit you in the Butt.
    In the future you should be more careful who you allow to “USE” your church and it’s good name in this way.

    I personal think this guy is an idiot who was smoking weed with no idea of the laws in his state, If he had he could have made much better decisions in his defense.

    This story isn’t embarrassing because NORML reported the story or because Russ shared his opinions.
    This is embarrassing because someone within your church showed poor judgment.

    There is no NORML conspiracy, no Lawyer’s making bank and no hard feeling from NORML to your church.
    Give up the pity party and realize that NORML is here to help us and you! Don’t make this into a competition, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do.

    BTW: Patrick Duff make you look bad too, his comments haven’t helped your case in this matter!

    Adam

  15. Roger Christie

    Hello Russ,

    Aloha. A point well taken. You’ve quoted a very old page of my website that obviously needs to be updated. Thank you for that.

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    Hey there Patrick, aloha! Great to see you ‘here’. Thanks for the kind words of support. Love and respect to you, brother.

    Roger

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    Everyone gets a defense to Cannabis charges in court. What’s YOURS?

    ‘Getting high’ is a spiritual activity.

    The First Amendment protects (many) spiritual practices.

    People must be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Membership in the THC Ministry can provide that ‘doubt’.

    My ordainment is real.

    The church I was ordained in was declared “bona fide” by Hawai’i Courts many years ago.

    My license to marry people specifically as a “Cannabis sacrament” Minister is good for life.

    Comity. States often accept other state’s licenses.

    The world history of Cannabis sacramental use is legendary for millenia.

    If Cannabis is truly a person’s sacrament, then that’s their TRUTH. Combined with the other points it makes the best defense to prosecution that I know of. What’s any better?

    Again; what’s YOUR defense for using Cannabis? Getting high? See my point?

    All the best to everyone,

    Roger Christie, Founder

    THC Ministry

    http://www.thc-ministry

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  16. Carl Olsen

    Bob Randall won his medical marijuana case in federal court. We have two people on our board of directors who use marijuana legally here because of Bob Randall. Both of them are authorized by state and federal law to use marijuana. I not only see them use marijuana in public, I have permits from the state police allowing them to use it at the state capitol building. Although some federal courts have found a right to use marijuana, like Guam v. Guerrero, Guerro actually lost that case in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit because the court said importation was not protected by the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). I’ve read your case and it simply says the court must hold a hearing on a RFRA claim. The court in your case never actually had the hearing.

    http://www.ethiopianzioncopticchurch.org/Cases/forchion.aspx

  17. Patrick Duff

    In a way, yes I’d love to be banned since I have only made two or three small postings and it might be my record for getting banned so quickly. In another way, I’d like to show people that your argument is wrong, but you’ll ban me if I go on my current train of thought. I am in kind of a catch 22, don’t you think?

    I am not here to argue with you, but when you take cheap shots at people I consider to be at the top of our movement in both knowledge and action, I call your bluff.

    PS: You don’t know how to read our decision in my Liberty Bell case, because we won the right to practice our religion in our “Homes, house of worship, or any other NON-federal location”.

    That’s one religious victory, another is Guam Vs. Guerrero. So please show me a medical case that has won in a federal court?

  18. Patrick Duff

    Am I banned again?

  19. Patrick Duff

    Tell me what state law NORML has changed or lead the charge in changing? Also, give me a list of their accomplishments in the legalization movement and compare it to three people, Jack Herer, Dennis Perron and Roger Christie. Who has done more for the legalization, those three or NORML?

  20. Roger Christie

    Aloha. To help set the record straight; Trevor Douglas was NOT a member of the THC Ministry when he was ticketed for possession and expired tags. I made him a member a few weeks ago to assist the young man in his legal situation. He donated zero. He did get lots of publicity for the righteous cause of spiritual use of Cannabis sacrament for his small kine trouble.

    It’s free to join the THC Ministry. We ask for donations to support our shared cause, and for document packages, holy anointing oil, etc., etc. What’s not to like?

    THC Ministry has been partly responsible for approximately 106 ‘wins’ for Cannabis charges and approximately 7 losses to date. Who else can beat that record of accomplishment?

    All the best to everyone,

    Roger Christie, Founder

    THC Ministry

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  21. Montana NORML Newsletter » Montana NORML Blog

    [...] Some guy thought a “Cannabis Ministry” religious use card would exempt him from arrest. Oops. [...]

  22. Carl Olsen

    Membership in a church should be free. The church can set up a legal committee and ask for donations to pay for the work it will take to get a legal declaration from the state and federal government that the church is lawful to its sacrament. Check out the history of the Native American Church for instructions on how to get this accomplished.

  23. Carl Olsen

    If you study the history of the religious peyote exemption, you’ll find it was written into the drug laws when they were created. The religious peyote exemption was not put there after the fact because someone got arrested. The Native American Church saw drug prohibition coming in 1918 and got their exemption written into it right from the beginning. That took a lot of planning and work. How much work goes into getting arrested?

    I agree with everyone that religious freedom should make all of this work unnecessary, but the reality is there in the history of the religious peyote exemption. It’s there because some folks did a lot of work to get it there. That is going to be what it takes to get a religious exemption for cannabis, a lot of work up front.

  24. Mike

    Good one, Russ.
    Agree with it all.
    If they want to throw their money away, good luck.
    I’d rather send that money to NORML.

  25. Dudemaster

    We really don’t have religous freedom in this country or this case would never have made it to this website.